From: anima@pentagon.io.com (Anima) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: Hubbard's SPs/Hitler's Jews (RVY) Date: 15 Sep 97 14:22:30 GMT Organization: Illuminati Online Lines: 331 Message-ID: References: <5va0at$tn5$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> <5vbjrt$krd@drn.zippo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pentagon.io.com X-Trace: nntp-3.io.com 874336238 5639 (None) 199.170.88.5 X-Complaints-To: usenet@io.com X-No-Archive: Yes Although I have seen no honest statement quoted that those who lack the intelectual skills and integrity to counter argument with argument rather than with theft and personal attacks, this posting is too important for me to pass over in silence, no matter what foul beast slavers for my attention and no matter how well the witch hunt against me is proceeding from those who have no alternative but lies, hypocrisy, and noisy investigation. And thus I come forth into this newsgroup again to point out that Warrior writes a commentary on RVY that is exemplary in every way. What is important is not that some individuals are driven to madness, dispair, and self-destruction, or that some cult dupes are so addled and distracted that they go as far as murder-- though these are deplorable. Nor is the most important thing the bait-and-switch fraud, the harrassment and harm to the elderly who give their all to the cult and then are off-loaded or otherwise left to die without minimal physical comforts or even the consolation of their "religion." Nor is the systematic abuse of the young through rotten care facilities, substandard education, the denial of natural parental love and personal care and support from parent to child and back, and even to the point of squalid and abominable tortures and imprisonment. We have heard all these stories and more. We have heard of rape and child molestation going unpunished, and I have reason to know that child molestation in the cult's own "care" facilities, with their grossly inadequate supervision, is more common than has been reported here. But it is not the occasional death, madness, sex-abuse, torture, or the widespread and fundamental fraud that is truly terrifying about this cult any more than it is the occasional kidnapping or the routine habits of government infiltration, tax fraud, and document theft or the millions of dollars of barratry and abuse of already overburdened courts that is the most terrible thing. More than any of these-- and each is worse and more extensive than the general public even begins to suspect-- is the core belief that the in-crowd, the paying dupes, are part of an elite with an inate right to stomp all over anyone who gets in their way. This post, with its dual authors, makes abundantly clear the genuinely totalitarian agenda of hate that drives the cult's corporate behavior and makes its aparatchiks willing agents of a policy that spares us the horror of mass murder and concentration camps only because of what the would be thrill-killers call "religious bigotry." That "bigotry" against Fascist tactics and the Fascist mindset is what saves us from letting the international criminal conspiracy disguised as a "church" demonstrate literally the metaphor of George Orwell's that the look of the future is a boot stomping on a human face-- forever. This one is a keeper, one lacking in hysterics and rhetoric and high in documentation and systematic assemblage of the relevant facts. The most stary thing is not that it is true, but that with the Final Solution spelled out so clearly, so repeatedly, so persistently, on-lookers will still shrug and deny that Hubbard meant what he said and will deny that the aparatchiks and their dupes act precisely as though they were following the views of the Founder on these matters as on all others. When the slavish devotion to miniscule detail can fly so far from commonsense into doublethink that a communications course in Italy can have students look up words in the English language in an English dictionary because Hubbard never gave instructions for Italian students to use an Italian dictionary in their own country, and when parents and children, husbands and wives, can be split apart by disconnect orders and voluntarily treat their once significant others as aliens, as "SPs," it is evident to those who have removed their blinders that the horrid and abominable implications of Hubbardology described below are all too literally possible if the cult is allowed to operate in silence and spread its filthy lies without rebuttal. Thank heaven there are authoritative sources like Young and Warrior to expose the truth. People may quibble, equivocate, and stop their ears at their own peril. Thanks to a few courageous former insiders and the power of the Internet, the truth IS out there now, in increasing detail, and with increasing coherence so that the patterns beginning to emerge from the buildup of individual details can help us to make a difference that may save not just one life or one family, but all of us. Would this material with its precise quotation of "scripture" be suitable for a leaflet, I wonder, or is it too likely to be dismissed as the improbable ravings of madmen and not the exposure of an actual blueprint for world domination and the suppression of enemies? And, given the outrageous content of Hubborg's weltanschung, is anyone else afraid that the simple solution to the cult's legal problems might lie along the lines of some of the alternatives implied by the material below? >In article <5va0at$tn5$1@eskinews.eskimo.com>, Robert Vaughn Young > wrote: >>There is a direct parallel between Hitler's views of "Jewish vermin" and >>Hubbard's views of "suppressive persons" (SPs) as well as their "final >>solutions" that I would like to make. Others might want to fill this out >>with some quotes from Hubbard. >>What is a "suppressive person"? Basically it is a person disagreeing with >>Hubbard and/or Scientology doctrine, according to him/them. More on that >>later. >>Those in the RTC (Religious Technology Center) and the OSA (Office of >>Special Affairs) are the ones who fervently hold to these views of SPs. >>Quite honestly, most of them would honestly be shocked at the suggestion >>that they view SPs the way Hitler and the Nazis viewed Jews because - in >>an astounding leap of "doublethink" - they are told that THEY are the >>oppressed. However when the RTC/OSA staff get to sit around and hear >>reports of how this SP is under attack and that SP is under attack, they >>smile and they laugh and they want to hear more. They delight in the bad >>news for SPs. That is because they really don't connect SPs with being >>real people any more than Jews were people. Nazis could do anything they >>wanted to Jews. So RTC/OSA can do anything to SPs. > The "Fair Game" policy by Hubbard authorizes and encourages such >treatment. In HCO PL 18 October 1967 Issue IV Hubbard wrote: > "Enemy - SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or > injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline > of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed." >>It is a long-standing Dept 20 joke that attacking an SP actually HELPS >>them. It gives them "case gain." It will "make their TA move." (A complex >>inside joke.) > Hubbard wrote that "Scientology is the only game in the universe >where _everyone_ wins." Even an SP is "helped" when he is "handled" >(even if he "drops his body" - dies) because he will then have a chance >to come back in the next life (Scientologists believe in reincarnation) >and start over again. In the meantime, with the SP removed from the >environment, society will experience a rise in cultural tone. > Hubbard wrote in _Science of Survival_, book one, page 157: > "The sudden and abrupt deletion of all individuals occupying the > lower bands of the tone scale from the social order would result > in an almost instant rise in the cultural tone and would inter- > rupt the dwindling spiral into which any society may have entered." >>If an SP is forced out of his job, it is good, just as it was good if a >>Jew was fired or thrown out on the street. If an SP goes to a club meeting >>and the membership has turned against him, it is good, as it was good for >>the Jew. In fact, any misfortune is good for the SP/Jew. They deserve it, >>according to Hubbard/Hitler. >>The point is that there is no sense of humanity connected to what befalls >>the SP, any more than there was humanity connected to the Jew. That is why >>anything can be done to the SP, as it was the Jew. >>When I was watching the movie "Schiendler's List," there were scenes that >>chilled me in a way that is difficult to relate. For example, when the >>camp commandant is shooting into the camp, using Jews as target practice. >>And the scene where the commandant is walking through the ranks of Jews >>and randomly shooting them in the heads while they have to stand there, >>waiting to see if they are the next to die. >>I watched these scenes and a chill ran through me. I had not personally >>seen such acts of violence but I had seen that evil, that wish that one >>could walk through the ranks of the SPs and randomly shoot them, for sheer >>pleasure. I had felt the hate when it was generated and I joined in it, >>laughing with the executives and the others at the misery of an "enemy," >>someone lower than I and my group. >>And before anyone take too much exception with my parallel, let me make >>another: segregationists and blacks. There is no doubt in my mind that >>there were segregationists who would have enjoyed a camp full of blacks >>that they could randomly shoot at, or kill randomly as the commandant >>could. Dare we find another parallel? >>My point is that evil is evil. It is not unique to a group. (Americans >>were shocked to learn how barbaric the Viet Nam war had made many of our >>soldiers.) But this newsgroup is alt.religion.scientology and I was in >>that cult for nearly 21 years and I was in the section that dealt with SPs >>and I know the feeling of detached exhilaration one gets in destroying >>one's "enemy." They are "out there", as if in a movie or at a sporting >>event. They are not real. They are not people. They do not feel or care or >>love or have values that we should cherish, which merely justifies and >>redefines the hate. (You can watch some of it right here on ARS.) >>Hubbard's policies are filled with such propaganda to create such >>attitudes, from the "Bolivar PL" where he says a true leader doesn't care >>about piles of enemy bodies to policies how to "ruin" the lives of >>critics. These are studied and restudied in the RTC/OSA and they seep into >>the mentality so the "enemy" become like vermin/bacteria and one doesn't >>cry or worry about destroying vermin. > HCO PL 12 February 1967 _Admin Know-How The Responsibilities of > Leaders_, by L. Ron Hubbard says on page 9, last paragraph: > "He [the leader, or 'power'] doesn't have to know all the bad news > and if he's a power really he won't ask all the time, 'What are > all those dead bodies doing at the door?' And if you are clever, > you never let it be thought HE killed them - that weakens you and > also hurts the power source. 'Well, boss, about all those dead > bodies, > nobody at all will suppose you did it. *She* over there, those pink > legs sticking out, didn't like me.' 'Well,' he'll say if he really > is a power, 'why are you bothering me with it if it's done and you > did it. Where's my blue ink?' Or 'Skipper, three shore patrolmen > will be along soon with your cook, Dober, and they'll want to tell > you he beat up Simpson.' 'Who's Simpson?' 'He's a clerk in the > enemy office downtown.' 'Good, when they've done it, take Dober > down to the dispensary for any treatment he needs. Oh yes. Raise > his pay.' Or 'Sir, could I have the power to sign divisional > orders?' > 'Sure.' " >>What then is an 'SP"? The RTC/OSA speaker will say people who seek to >>destroy humanity, murderers etc. But I challenge anyone to find one "SP >>Declare" where murder is cited as the reason for the declare. There is >>naught one. Instead, people are declared SPs for leaving the organization >>without permission or speaking with the authorities or being critical of >>Hubbard. SP "declarations" are used to silence, to weed out dissidents, >>and to make examples of others so the rank and file learn to keep their >>mouths shut. >> Hubbard's "Final Solution" >>Look at what Hubbard wanted to do with SPs. (There have been some good >>quotes to ARS.) He believed that 2% of the population was SP and they >>should be sent off to camps, their civil rights suspened, and isolated >>from the rest of society. Sound familiar? That would be the camp - a camp >>of SPs - where the "commandant" could use them for target practice, the >>way such minds have inhumanely used others. >>Or Hubbard tells how one ruler ridded his country of lepers. (If someone >>could find the exact quote...) According to Hubbard, the ruler announced >>had created a special kingdom for the sick and he would be taking them >>there. They happily boarded a large boat that was taken to sea and the >>boat sunk. As Hubbard put it, the disease was gone - and his inference is >>clear. > _Science of Survival_, book one, page 157, Hubbard wrote: > "By the simple expedient of collecting and destroying all the > beggars in Venezuela an end was put to leprosy in that country." >>That Hubbard would chuckle over the killing of hundreds or thousands of >>lepers (while someone like Princess Diana would shake their hand) says >>much for his tolerance and position as "a friend to Mankind." It takes >>little to see that that is what he wanted to do that with the SP/vermin. >>After all, it was cheaper than a camp. >>If it sounds impossible to apologists, then they need to read some more >>Hubbard. Not the milk-toast version pandered to the general public, like >>photos of Hitler with children. Let's read some real Hubbard, the >>confidential ones in the RTC/OSA packs. (RonIsXenu has posted some >>excellent examples.) These are what they study to learn that it is alright >>to ruin the life of a person, for that "person" is not a "person" but an >>"SP." (Ref: Hubbard's policy, PR by redfinition of words is how he does >>this. The "SP" label allows the detachment.) >>And that is the detachment that is created in and by RTC/OSA.(1) >>I know there are a few in there that it sometimes bothers but they have >>learned to close their minds ("doublethink") and laugh at the stories of >>how this SP and that SP were hit recently. They cannot speak out any more >>than a Nazi officer would have spoken out. The weeding-out process to make >>that jump guarantees those with greater loyalties. For someone in the >>RTC/OSA to complain would make them the target of this humiliation and >>harassment, starting with the RPF, Hubbard's own private "camp" where one >>learns what it is like to be a "nigger" or a "kike," right down to the >>armbands. "Niggers" and "kikes" didn't have rights either. Neither do SPs, >>the "niggers" and "kikes" that need to be destroyed. That was the basis of >>Hubbard's original Fair Game. It will be found in his writings(2) and it >>will be found in the minds and actions of the RTC/OSA and those they hire. > Hubbard, from _Science of Survival_: > "There are only two answers for the handling of people from 2.0 down > on the tone scale, neither of which has anything to do with reason- > ing with them or listening to their justification of their acts. > The first is to raise them on the tone scale...by any one of the > three valid processes. The other is to dispose of them quietly and > without sorrow." > "It is not necessary to produce a world of clears in order to have a > reasonable and worthwhile [!] social order; it is only necessary to > delete those individuals who range from 2.0 down, either by > processing > them enough to get their tone level above the 2.0 line...or simply > quarantining them from society." >>And rising above this is Hubbard's "Homo novis," the "New Man" that >>Hubbard said he was creating via his doctrines, reminiscent of the Nazi >>Obermensch or superman. Hubbard saw them as his creations - made in his >>image - that would rise above those "pieces of meat" he called "wogs" >>[what you are before you become a Scientologist] and take over the world, >>creating a new order according to his singular policies and ideas. Sound >>familiar? >>Obermensch - Homo Novis >>Niggers/Kikes - SPs/(wogs) >>Thousand Year Reich - Billion Year Contract >>Concentration Camps - RPF camps >>Nuremberg Rally - IAS/RTC Rally >>Which reminds me of an incident in Hamburg, when I was visiting once. I >>had spent several hours with the head of the Office of the Protection of >>the Constitution and when we were done, he asked me if I had any pictures >>of the leaders of the organization. I opened an IAS magazine and it >>happened to fall to a fold-out (three page) photo spread of an IAS rally. >>Before I could turn the page, the man held it open and looked. The picture >>was of an event, probably at the Los Angeles Shrine Auditorium, taken from >>one of the highest seats to give a wide perspective. It looked down on >>spotlights, banners and flags and huge photos of Hubbard and at the center >>of the stage was a lone figure, probably David Miscavige. The man beside >>me paused and then looked to his aide and said one word, "Nuremberg." The >>aide nodded silently, as they both looked at the photo. I did too, a chill >>running through me, realizing even more why the German government watches >>this group. >>They have seen it before and they don't want to see it again. >>Never again. >>Robert Vaughn Young >>writer@eskimo.com >>(1) It does not extend that much to the rank and file Scientologist. Yes, >>they believe there are "SPs" but they all don't carry that evil bile in >>their system that gives sadistic joy when another person is harmed. If >>they do, if they can enjoy the harming or destruction of another person >>for whatever reason (usually that the person deserves it), they are simply >>good recruitment material for the RTC/OSA. >>(2) These are far from the entirety of Hubbard's writings but this >>militant hate literature - and let's call it what it is - does constitute >>the core of RTC/OSA's policies. For a good example, find a copy of CSC >>Pres. Jentzsch's checksheet that he turned over in a court case. -- anima@io.com When making public policy decisions about new technologies for the Government, I think one should ask oneself which technologies would best strengthen the hand of a police state. Then, do not allow the Government to deploy those technologies. --Philip Zimmermann